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	<title>Comments on: Common practices that scientists don&#8217;t use when writing code, and why we should</title>
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		<title>By: jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here is: how do we measure code quality? and programmer productivity?

Looks like those are open problems.
Number of commits, lines of code, etc are all bad proxies (you can crank out code really fast but make it so bad that people have to go repairing what you touched :) ).

I found this post interesting:
http://www.webfoot.com/blog/2006/12/17/programmer-productivity-part-3/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is: how do we measure code quality? and programmer productivity?</p>
<p>Looks like those are open problems.<br />
Number of commits, lines of code, etc are all bad proxies (you can crank out code really fast but make it so bad that people have to go repairing what you touched <img src='http://www.academicproductivity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
<p>I found this post interesting:<br />
<a href="http://www.webfoot.com/blog/2006/12/17/programmer-productivity-part-3/" rel="nofollow">http://www.webfoot.com/blog/2006/12/17/programmer-productivity-part-3/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any evidence that IDEs, version control, and unit testing actually result in better code?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any evidence that IDEs, version control, and unit testing actually result in better code?</p>
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		<title>By: jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, another trend according to reddit is that guys who use vim or emacs don&#039;t have girlfriends :)

But seriously... Are there any stats that prove that IDE-guys are worse programmers? Maybe IDE-guys just use less productive languages (java) versus script languages for the vim/emacs crowd? 

On the other hand, those who use run-off-the-mill editors (read:easier than vim/emacs) don&#039;t strike me as tremendously productive either. But my sample is pretty small. It does make sense that the hardcore programmers would gravitate towards hardcore editors. But I must admit that some situations (e.g., rails development) are just better suited towards IDEs (e.g., find usages, find definitions).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, another trend according to reddit is that guys who use vim or emacs don&#8217;t have girlfriends <img src='http://www.academicproductivity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But seriously&#8230; Are there any stats that prove that IDE-guys are worse programmers? Maybe IDE-guys just use less productive languages (java) versus script languages for the vim/emacs crowd? </p>
<p>On the other hand, those who use run-off-the-mill editors (read:easier than vim/emacs) don&#8217;t strike me as tremendously productive either. But my sample is pretty small. It does make sense that the hardcore programmers would gravitate towards hardcore editors. But I must admit that some situations (e.g., rails development) are just better suited towards IDEs (e.g., find usages, find definitions).</p>
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		<title>By: whudajoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>whudajoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Use an IDE&quot;???!!?!?!?

Seriously, /THAT/ is supposed to make us write better code?

I&#039;ve spent lots of time with various IDEs over the years in a number of industry jobs, and found one pattern that keeps repeating itself: noobs and guys that aren&#039;t very good at coding rely heavily on IDEs, while the guys who are /REALLY, REALLY GOOD/ at what they do invariably prefer vi or emacs.

Whoever it is you are quoting that thinks IDEs should be a fundamental part of &quot;best practices&quot; just lost all credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Use an IDE&#8221;???!!?!?!?</p>
<p>Seriously, /THAT/ is supposed to make us write better code?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent lots of time with various IDEs over the years in a number of industry jobs, and found one pattern that keeps repeating itself: noobs and guys that aren&#8217;t very good at coding rely heavily on IDEs, while the guys who are /REALLY, REALLY GOOD/ at what they do invariably prefer vi or emacs.</p>
<p>Whoever it is you are quoting that thinks IDEs should be a fundamental part of &#8220;best practices&#8221; just lost all credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: kd</title>
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		<dc:creator>kd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use emacs as my ide and code in perl and R.  IDEs are there to compensate for an absence of decent command line tools.

As far as test driven development goes ... well ... I found a bug in an open source web framework, the maintainer asked me to go and write some tests to illustrate the bug which I did, and immediately saw the value.

Mind you for my day to day coding needs, 99% of what I do are one-shot scripts where tests are more trouble than they&#039;re worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use emacs as my ide and code in perl and R.  IDEs are there to compensate for an absence of decent command line tools.</p>
<p>As far as test driven development goes &#8230; well &#8230; I found a bug in an open source web framework, the maintainer asked me to go and write some tests to illustrate the bug which I did, and immediately saw the value.</p>
<p>Mind you for my day to day coding needs, 99% of what I do are one-shot scripts where tests are more trouble than they&#8217;re worth.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DotMG
I use vim too, for the same reasons.
Using an IDE was the point of the original article, that I don&#039;t particularly share.

@loca,
Yes, but bad code affect researchers too! I have had requests for sources, and I had to answer &quot;sorry, it&#039;s in such a mess that I doubt it&#039;d be useful for you.&quot; And I had this same answer given to me by two researchers friends about their code just in the last month!

Plus, if the people who can apply basic research don&#039;t because they fear the code, society overall would improve a lot slower (i.e., applied people who don&#039;t read papers and even less academic code are condemned to reinvent the wheel).

The last argument about doing something that people actually use is very well presented in that unqualified-reservations blog post (but long! :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DotMG<br />
I use vim too, for the same reasons.<br />
Using an IDE was the point of the original article, that I don&#8217;t particularly share.</p>
<p>@loca,<br />
Yes, but bad code affect researchers too! I have had requests for sources, and I had to answer &#8220;sorry, it&#8217;s in such a mess that I doubt it&#8217;d be useful for you.&#8221; And I had this same answer given to me by two researchers friends about their code just in the last month!</p>
<p>Plus, if the people who can apply basic research don&#8217;t because they fear the code, society overall would improve a lot slower (i.e., applied people who don&#8217;t read papers and even less academic code are condemned to reinvent the wheel).</p>
<p>The last argument about doing something that people actually use is very well presented in that unqualified-reservations blog post (but long! <img src='http://www.academicproductivity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: loca</title>
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		<dc:creator>loca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>erm, why should the Python-inventing person even get compared to academics? academic life is a world of its own and does not speak to other kinds of merit. just as the european ice-dancing championship judging criteria is irrelevant to most academics (our careers at least), peer-reviewed pubs, grants, and tenure are irrelevant to most non-academics. 

what&#039;s the argument in this post? sure, code can be written more professionally -- but i have another profession, which is to be a researcher. is there a real compelling argument that writing non-messy, more professional code is going to make my research better? if it simply means professional programmer will dread my code and make fun of me, seriously, who cares? here i am making fun of those ice skaters&#039; outfits or something and i am sure they don&#039;t care...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>erm, why should the Python-inventing person even get compared to academics? academic life is a world of its own and does not speak to other kinds of merit. just as the european ice-dancing championship judging criteria is irrelevant to most academics (our careers at least), peer-reviewed pubs, grants, and tenure are irrelevant to most non-academics. </p>
<p>what&#8217;s the argument in this post? sure, code can be written more professionally &#8212; but i have another profession, which is to be a researcher. is there a real compelling argument that writing non-messy, more professional code is going to make my research better? if it simply means professional programmer will dread my code and make fun of me, seriously, who cares? here i am making fun of those ice skaters&#8217; outfits or something and i am sure they don&#8217;t care&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DotMG</title>
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		<dc:creator>DotMG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m writing all my codes with Vim.

Q: Why not use an integrated development environment with a symbolic debugger? 
A: I use Vim because it is (AFAIK) the only editor that let me work without the need of a mouse. I hate mouse: it slows me:
http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2006/why-slickrun-is-the-best-thing-in-the-world-ever/
I invested time learning how to use it, and I&#039;ll continue to use it because actually, I write faster with Vim than with any other editor. I&#039;ve tried Eclipse, but, I think, it&#039;s the kind of software that you love or you don&#039;t love.

Q: Why not write unit tests?
A: What are unit tests?

Q: Why not use a version-control system?
A: Actually I do, and it&#039;s great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m writing all my codes with Vim.</p>
<p>Q: Why not use an integrated development environment with a symbolic debugger?<br />
A: I use Vim because it is (AFAIK) the only editor that let me work without the need of a mouse. I hate mouse: it slows me:<br />
<a href="http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2006/why-slickrun-is-the-best-thing-in-the-world-ever/" rel="nofollow">http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2006/why-slickrun-is-the-best-thing-in-the-world-ever/</a><br />
I invested time learning how to use it, and I&#8217;ll continue to use it because actually, I write faster with Vim than with any other editor. I&#8217;ve tried Eclipse, but, I think, it&#8217;s the kind of software that you love or you don&#8217;t love.</p>
<p>Q: Why not write unit tests?<br />
A: What are unit tests?</p>
<p>Q: Why not use a version-control system?<br />
A: Actually I do, and it&#8217;s great.</p>
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