Comments on: New version of Zotero out. Good for PDF storage as well as references. http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/ A survival guide for the 21st century researcher Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:39:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Emma http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-720 Emma Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:52:22 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-720 I got very keen on Zotero at one point, but I've had a few problems. While I agree that it's way better than EndNote when it comes to grabbing stuff off the web & I like *in theory* the ability to annotate .pdfs, (in practice, I still prefer the printed version & my pen), I have found that it starts to slow down quite significantly the more that I have in it. I've therefore started to use it to gather web refs & then transfer them to EndNote & delete them from Zotero. I also have had a look at CiteULike - which scores over Zotero for its social aspects, but looses, as I find that the page I'm viewing vanishes & I get the CiteULike page instead - so I can't copy & paste the information that should be picked up. That could be my Firefox settings, but most other similar things (e.g. iKeepbookmarks, subwithBloglines etc) create a new tab, so I am inclined to blame CiteULike! It also stores them online, which is handy as I use several computers round the place (I can hook into my University Storage to get to my EndNote files), whereas I end up with several Zotero files - one on each PC. If, however, Zotero is going to have a social feature, I guess that will involve some kind of online storage, so I can see me getting keener on it in the future (especially when Flock is based on Firefox 2 - as Flock is my preferred browser :)) I got very keen on Zotero at one point, but I’ve had a few problems. While I agree that it’s way better than EndNote when it comes to grabbing stuff off the web & I like *in theory* the ability to annotate .pdfs, (in practice, I still prefer the printed version & my pen), I have found that it starts to slow down quite significantly the more that I have in it. I’ve therefore started to use it to gather web refs & then transfer them to EndNote & delete them from Zotero.
I also have had a look at CiteULike - which scores over Zotero for its social aspects, but looses, as I find that the page I’m viewing vanishes & I get the CiteULike page instead - so I can’t copy & paste the information that should be picked up. That could be my Firefox settings, but most other similar things (e.g. iKeepbookmarks, subwithBloglines etc) create a new tab, so I am inclined to blame CiteULike! It also stores them online, which is handy as I use several computers round the place (I can hook into my University Storage to get to my EndNote files), whereas I end up with several Zotero files - one on each PC.

If, however, Zotero is going to have a social feature, I guess that will involve some kind of online storage, so I can see me getting keener on it in the future (especially when Flock is based on Firefox 2 - as Flock is my preferred browser :))

]]> By: Nieuwe versie van Zotero uit « Dee’tjes http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-660 Nieuwe versie van Zotero uit « Dee’tjes Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:57:27 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-660 [...] Academic productivity  [...] [...] Academic productivity  [...]

]]> By: H. Stephen McMinn http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-609 H. Stephen McMinn Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:38:25 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-609 I really don't see the problem that users are having with EndNote. Version X supports both linking to OpenUrlk resolvers, so if you don't have the full text you can dump the citation information into your local tool and see if you have access to the full text. You do have to configure this for your local resolver and you have to link from the full record display in EndNote rather than the list. You can also drag and drop the pdf into the citation. Again you have to save the pdf to the desktop and then drag it into the record and then delete it from the desktop but it does allow you to use Endnote to function as your personal digial depository for PDF's. It still doesn't handle capturing web pages and/or managing bookmarks very well (Endnote web and Endnote X have a capture tool which doesn't work very well). I use Furl.net for this and will try the new version of Zotero to see how it all goes together. I really don’t see the problem that users are having with EndNote. Version X supports both linking to OpenUrlk resolvers, so if you don’t have the full text you can dump the citation information into your local tool and see if you have access to the full text. You do have to configure this for your local resolver and you have to link from the full record display in EndNote rather than the list. You can also drag and drop the pdf into the citation. Again you have to save the pdf to the desktop and then drag it into the record and then delete it from the desktop but it does allow you to use Endnote to function as your personal digial depository for PDF’s. It still doesn’t handle capturing web pages and/or managing bookmarks very well (Endnote web and Endnote X have a capture tool which doesn’t work very well). I use Furl.net for this and will try the new version of Zotero to see how it all goes together.

]]> By: H. Stephen McMinn http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-608 H. Stephen McMinn Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:51:27 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-608 I would disagree with you if it weren't for Microsoft. The first and best tool that I have found for this integration was OnFolio which worked with EndNote for the citation aspects, but it has all but disappeared since being purchased by Microsoft. I am somewhat curious about a new product -- Quosa, but it seems cost prohibitive for all but STM folks. I would disagree with you if it weren’t for Microsoft. The first and best tool that I have found for this integration was OnFolio which worked with EndNote for the citation aspects, but it has all but disappeared since being purchased by Microsoft. I am somewhat curious about a new product — Quosa, but it seems cost prohibitive for all but STM folks.

]]> By: academhack » Blog Archive » Again with the Useful Stuff . . . http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-591 academhack » Blog Archive » Again with the Useful Stuff . . . Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:44:54 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-591 [...] new version of Zotero is available, and as Academic Productivity points out, this version adds the ability to store .pdfs. (More on handling .pdfs [...] [...] new version of Zotero is available, and as Academic Productivity points out, this version adds the ability to store .pdfs. (More on handling .pdfs [...]

]]> By: shane http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-588 shane Sat, 07 Apr 2007 13:27:50 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-588 Yep. Zotero is free, and in the features that I think matter most - everyday ease of use and organisation of references, I think Zotero is much better than paid alternatives like endnote. Jose, the word plugin I mentioned is for inserting references and generating bibliography, with a pop up search tool, like in endnote. Works in 2007/2003 on PC, also for word on Mac. OpenOffice support is planned. Lacks some of the endnote features, but its pretty effective. The new version also has a very nice feature that if you select a bunch of references in Zotero, press ctrl alt c, it will copy the references to the clipboard (e.g. in APA format). Jim, no dice. Cb2bib-like features would be nice for Zotero, but I don't imagine we would be seeing them anytime soon. I have a large PDF library but because I don't have it well organised I find its often just as quick (or quicker) to find the pdf from the web, using google scholar and an openURL resolver, rather than try to find it from my library (when there is fair chance I won't have the article anyway). Yep. Zotero is free, and in the features that I think matter most - everyday ease of use and organisation of references, I think Zotero is much better than paid alternatives like endnote.

Jose, the word plugin I mentioned is for inserting references and generating bibliography, with a pop up search tool, like in endnote. Works in 2007/2003 on PC, also for word on Mac. OpenOffice support is planned. Lacks some of the endnote features, but its pretty effective.
The new version also has a very nice feature that if you select a bunch of references in Zotero, press ctrl alt c, it will copy the references to the clipboard (e.g. in APA format).

Jim, no dice. Cb2bib-like features would be nice for Zotero, but I don’t imagine we would be seeing them anytime soon. I have a large PDF library but because I don’t have it well organised I find its often just as quick (or quicker) to find the pdf from the web, using google scholar and an openURL resolver, rather than try to find it from my library (when there is fair chance I won’t have the article anyway).

]]> By: Jim Offord http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-582 Jim Offord Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:38:33 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-582 Can you upload a set of PDF files, get them indexed, and then insert the citations for them into Zotero? I've been trying to get my directory of PDF files into a reference manager for a while and have had no success. I tried cb2bib, and did not get a good result with that. If Zotero can index, then pull out the information for citation then it is definitely going into my toolbox. Can you upload a set of PDF files, get them indexed, and then insert the citations for them into Zotero?
I’ve been trying to get my directory of PDF files into a reference manager for a while and have had no success. I tried cb2bib, and did not get a good result with that. If Zotero can index, then pull out the information for citation then it is definitely going into my toolbox.

]]> By: admin http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-580 admin Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:21:42 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-580 Can you insert references in Word 2007 (or word 2003) like in endNote? Can you insert references in Word 2007 (or word 2003) like in endNote?

]]> By: Lvood http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-578 Lvood Fri, 06 Apr 2007 09:19:38 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-578 Zotero rocks - I just updated to the new version and the improvements I already noticed are great - especially for storing pdf sources from the web! I can also recommend it to anyone who is taking information (web pages or pdf files) from the web. A great tool for free! Zotero rocks - I just updated to the new version and the improvements I already noticed are great - especially for storing pdf sources from the web!

I can also recommend it to anyone who is taking information (web pages or pdf files) from the web. A great tool for free!

]]> By: Sean http://www.academicproductivity.com/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-575 Sean Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:12:13 +0000 http://www.academicproductivity.com/blog/2007/new-version-of-zotero-out-good-for-pdf-storage-as-well-as-references/#comment-575 Thanks for your interest in Zotero. Please note that we are also beginning to support PDF full-text indexing. Right now it's a little tricky to set up, but we hope to have a smoother installation process soon. Thanks for your interest in Zotero. Please note that we are also beginning to support PDF full-text indexing. Right now it’s a little tricky to set up, but we hope to have a smoother installation process soon.

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